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 Asunto: Ketoconazol no penetra a traves de la piel ?
NotaPublicado: Mié Dic 09, 2009 10:05 pm 
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Cinturón Blanco

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hola buenas! despues de comprar en la farmacia ketoisdin 2%, entusiasmado por las buenas criticas que tiene...leo el prospecto y me encuentro con...: se puede utilizar durante el embarazo y la lactancia , ya que el principio activo, ketoconazol, no penetra a traves de la piel.
mi pregutna es...entonces...como es posible que funcione como antiandrogeno si ni siquiera atraviesa la piel? no es lo mismo que con el minox que si lo hace no? me gustaria saber si hay algun dermatologo en el foro que pueda aclararnos esta duda...ami por lo menos. muchas gracias y un saludo a todos


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Hola como estas !

Actua de la misma manera que un champo.
Aca tenes para leer este post: Sebiprox vs Fungarest

El champo con ketoconazol es un antifungico, antiseborreico y antiandrogeno suave (funciona como el minox 2% mas o menos)

Acá te dejo un estudio donde explica como funciona en casos de alopecia androgenética:
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It can reasonably be concluded that the clinical efficacy of ketoconazole shampoo in the treatment of AGA is primarily a function of DHT pathway disruption rather than an anti-inflammatory effect. In rat studies ketoconazole caused 5-R inhibition [28]. Furthermore, in humans ketoconazole has also been shown to inhibit the binding of 5-R to sex hormone globulins [29]. These clinical studies suggest that ketoconazole like finasteride may inhibit the production of DHT. Unlike finasteride ketoconazole has been shown to bind to human AR [30]. Thus, the effect of ketoconazole on the DHT pathway may be two-fold: inhibition of DHT and/or inhibition of DHT binding to AR. Either or both of these properties would result in reduced incidence of DHT binding to AR and inhibiting the pathway that leads to the miniaturizing of hair follicles.

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March 04, 2001 - American Academy of Dermatology Meeting - Washington DC - Scientists working for McNeil, makers of Nizoral anti-dandruff shampoo, presented the findings of a study done on 1% Nizoral shampoo which has good news for hair loss sufferers. It has long been known that 2% prescription Nizoral has beneficial effects on Androgenic Alopecia (MPB). It however has been unclear whether the same benefits can be obtained by using the non-prescription 1% version.
In the study presented (see below), one hundred male volunteers with mild to moderate dandruff and somewhat oily scalp, were using, in a double-blind fashion, either a 1% Nizoral shampoo or a 1% zinc pyrithione shampoo, 2-3 times a week for 6 months.
Analysis of the different parameters set up in the study shows that the hair diameter gradually increased with Nizoral use (+8.46%) over a 6 month period, whereas the diameter showed a trend to decrease with zinc pyrithione use over the same period (-2.28%). The sebum excretion rate was reduced with Nizoral (-6.54%) while it increased with zinc pyrithione (+8.2%) over the same period of time. The number of hair shed over a 24-hour period was reduced by 16.46% with Nizoral and 6.02% with zinc pyrithione after 6 months. Finally, the percentage hairs in anagen phase increased by 6.4% and 8.4% respectively during the study time.

The results are similar to a previous study done on 2% prescription strength Nizoral where it was shown that use of 2% Nizoral yielded a 7% average increase in hair shaft diameter similar to what was achieved by the control group using 2% Minoxidil and a non-medicated shampoo.

So for any hair loss sufferer, this research clearly indicates that using 1% or 2% Nizoral 2-3 times per week, will have positive effects on hair growth as well as controlling dandruff. It is still unclear at this time whether it's the anti-fungal properties or the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole (active ingredient in Nizoral) thats responsible for the hair thickening effects, however because of the decrease in sebum rates as well, it is the authors opinion that the results are due to the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole.

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California College of Podiatric Medicine, 371 Columbus Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94133, USA.

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) binding to androgen receptors (AR) in hair follicles is commonly accepted as the first step leading to the miniaturizing of follicles associated with androgenetic alopecia (AGA). Testosterone is converted to DHT by the enzyme 5alpha-reductase. Finasateride a 5alpha-reducase inhibitor blocks the production of DHT and is currently used to treat AGA. The inhibition is not complete but a reduction of DHT systemically and in the scalp is accomplished. Ketoconazole has been clinically shown to be effective in the treatment of AGA. In this paper, evidence is presented to support the hypothesis that ketoconazole 2% shampoo has a local disruption of the DHT pathway. It is proposed that using ketoconazole 2% shampoo as an adjunct to finasteride treatment could lead to a more complete inhibition of DHT and thus better treat AGA.

PMID: 14729013 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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March 04, 2001 - American Academy of Dermatology Meeting - Washington DC - Scientists working for McNeil, makers of Nizoral anti-dandruff shampoo, presented the findings of a study done on 1% Nizoral shampoo which has good news for hair loss sufferers. It has long been known that 2% prescription Nizoral has beneficial effects on Androgenic Alopecia (MPB). It however has been unclear whether the same benefits can be obtained by using the non-prescription 1% version.
In the study presented (see below), one hundred male volunteers with mild to moderate dandruff and somewhat oily scalp, were using, in a double-blind fashion, either a 1% Nizoral shampoo or a 1% zinc pyrithione shampoo, 2-3 times a week for 6 months.
Analysis of the different parameters set up in the study shows that the hair diameter gradually increased with Nizoral use (+8.46%) over a 6 month period, whereas the diameter showed a trend to decrease with zinc pyrithione use over the same period (-2.28%). The sebum excretion rate was reduced with Nizoral (-6.54%) while it increased with zinc pyrithione (+8.2%) over the same period of time. The number of hair shed over a 24-hour period was reduced by 16.46% with Nizoral and 6.02% with zinc pyrithione after 6 months. Finally, the percentage hairs in anagen phase increased by 6.4% and 8.4% respectively during the study time.

The results are similar to a previous study done on 2% prescription strength Nizoral where it was shown that use of 2% Nizoral yielded a 7% average increase in hair shaft diameter similar to what was achieved by the control group using 2% Minoxidil and a non-medicated shampoo.

So for any hair loss sufferer, this research clearly indicates that using 1% or 2% Nizoral 2-3 times per week, will have positive effects on hair growth as well as controlling dandruff. It is still unclear at this time whether it's the anti-fungal properties or the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole (active ingredient in Nizoral) thats responsible for the hair thickening effects, however because of the decrease in sebum rates as well, it is the authors opinion that the results are due to the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole.


Saludos !!


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bien...de ingles bien poco jejejejej. la cuestion es que segun tengo entendido, los champu normales actuan sobre la piel, pero que no atraviesan la capa de piel, como el minox que por sus componentes o lo que sea, penetra y hace el efecto que hace. desde mi punto de vista, si a una mujer embarazada este champu con efectos de antiandrogeno no le hace ningun efecto, porque si a un hombre? lo que funciona es que inhiba esas ormonas no? seria diferente si en vez de aplicartelo te lo tomaras por via oral, como es el caso de finasteride...la verdad no lo tengo nada claro...


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ander no te preocupes que sí penetra, poco, pero lo hace. Te explico...

A lo que se refiere con que no traspasa la epidermis es que en análisis posteriores no se detectaron concentraciones del principio activo en sangre, por lo que su infiltración es nula o mínima.

Sin embargo algo tiene que llegar a las células implicadas ya que en un estudio serio se demostró que daba resultado en aplicación tópica. No fue un super-experimento, pero sí suficiente para demostrarlo.

Yo creo que pasa como con todo... matamos moscas a cañonazos, pero es que no tenemos otra opción. Es decir, el 95% del keto que nos apliquemos seguramente se perderá, pero ese 5% que llegue a algunos folículos hará su efecto, por eso el resultado siempe es "muy moderado"... pero tampoco tenemos alternativa por el momento.

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